Kentucky Derby panel discussion & Derby Trial preview

Taylor Made Stallions
by TCI 6 years ago

Jon and Joel host Ray Paulick and Ed DeRosa at Keeneland’s picturesque Directors Room for a panel discussion on some hot topics surrounding Kentucky Derby 138. Will this be a Kentucky Derby for the Ages? Will Saturday’s Derby Trial have any impact on the Run for the Roses?

Watch it. Comment.

TCI Top Ten with top speed rating

Rank Name Bris Comments
1 Union Rags 103 No longer the clear Derby fave; Need to see him train well in KY
2 Bodemeister 106 A “holy cow” breakthrough win in Arkansas Derby, but was it too fast?
3 Creative Cause 107 Consistent, classy, battle-tested and possesses a good style for the Derby
4 Gemologist 104 The fact that this colt is not in the Top 3 shows how good this crop is
5 El Padrino 111 He’s in now, and one who will benefit from Trinniberg’s pace presence
6 Hansen 105 A key Derby matchup will be the cruising speed of his vs. Nos. 2 & 4
7 Dullahan 102 His ability on real dirt remains a question, but Blue Grass winner is legit
8 I’ll Have Another 102 California 3yos have been dominant, and he won two big preps there
9 Alpha 104 Stepped up and passed a needed class test in the Wood, but figs are slow
10 Take Charge Indy 109 Took advantage of easy pace to win Florida Derby; Borel an obvious plus

through 4/23/2012


  • JR

    Hi Joel,
    Your thoughts about Union Rags drinking a bucket and half of water after his work, is that worrisome, is it a sign of being unfit? Gary Stevens said his work was a WOW!!
    I would think if he was not as fit, it would show in his work and his time.
    Kind Regards,

    • Joelc

      JR, I Tweeted that he “got a good blow” and I didnt expect the response we got. haha. To elaborate beyond the limited characters Twitter allows you to publish, UR worked terrific IMO and really got over the track as well as any horse yesterday – which was not easy to do by any means because the track was very loose and tiring after the break. You could tell the track maintanence crew expected rain (as we all did) and so it was prepared and treated as such, which left it in the condition it was in when they did not get the rain they had expected.

      I had riders say the track was cuppy too, and horses were laboring over it. Dullahan, Union Rags, Eden’s Moon, etc. all came off the track like they had definitely put in an honest morning’s work. And then when we went back to watch UR cool out he looked like he had a good workout…but the horse is also very naturally laid back too. I mentioned that he drank over a bucket of water and that seemed to spike some interest from people. He’s a big horse obviously and had a sharp work and gallop-out, so that did not surprise me. Matz confessed that they wanted a good serious move and it appears like they go what they wanted. UR strikes me as a horse who does things visually very easy, but also isn’t overly aggressive and only does as much as is asked of him by his rider.

      So in summary, it was a visually terrific work, which I expected out of him to be honest. The track was VERY tiring, and he and many others found that out. But the horse looks absolutely terrific…after his bath they grazed him and he looked like a million bucks. His eye is very sharp and his looks and health are very good from appearance, so while he’s more of a laidback sort of horse I dont think that means he’s lacking energy or knocked out. I think he’s well and plenty fit. No horse has looked better physically or gotten over the track better IMO

      • JR

         Hi Joel,
        Didn’t know it was YOU causing all the ruckus.  What did you think of Bode’s work looks like the times were just about equal.  Gary Stevens said he looked real good when he is running. Who in your opinion looks better, I know that might be a tough call. 

        Also, Mike Harrington is a man of few words, he did say the CC had a issue with his shoe and a part of his foot, can you check that out Joel, and report back.

        I’m assuming at this point that UR stays as your #1 in your top ten.
        As always Joel you’re the best. As far as your tweeting goes, well that another story.
        With Kind Regards,

        • Joelc


          Bode had a very strong work, and more importantly he looked great coming out of it. One thing I will say is he skipped over the muddy track like he loved it, which figures being by Empire Maker. If I’m picking one it’s Union Rags..the track he wroked over was very loose, cuppy and tiring and Rags got over it very very well IMO…looked effortless, and he was straight & strong with Julien giving him very little encouragement. My impression is he’s a lazy horse that only does what’s asked of him and nothing more, and he worked very well without having to be asked much for it.

          You will hear opinions all over the board on Creative Cause. He was pretty lathered up when he hit the track today, and he continues to get roughed up with his pony (which is a continuous problem that needs to be addressed IMO), but the horse got over the track very well today IMO. He travels good on it and his breeze today was something I thought he did pretty easy. He’s just been trained like a throwback type of horse, but the lost shoe, etc. doesn’t bother me. This horse has been made to be as tough as any, and I think that well actually help him Saturday.

          My entire Top 10 stays the same…i have not seen anything good enough or bad enough to change it to date…we still have a couple days left and I’ll get to see Gemologist, Alpha, Take Charge Indy – and most importantly El Padrino – who all have not been at CD yet obviously. The reason I say El Padrino is so important is because of his slow work yesterday at PMM…I will choose not to judge him until I see him physically and evaluate his interest, energy level and how he’s training over the track. Stay tuned!

  • JR

    Hi Joel,
    Dynaformer has passed away.

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